They stopped ,thats all

CCP is never going to release the number of people who still have CQ turned on because the entire WiS fiasco was a huge black stain on the game and on CCP's reputation. I still don't understand why this thread is open considering Team Avatar has been disbanded and the roleplayers and furries have their own ghetto forum where they can go and talk about dance parties.

They have already scrapped it and the game is healthier for it.

That graph illustrates perfectly why CCP should stay out of the WiS business. There's some additional analysis here: http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2013/08/version-40-thoughts-and-comments.html

Here's the important part:

You really didn't understand what I said. I am saying that as long as WiS would increase subs, it doesn't matter how good the game is doing at the moment. I agree, subs are the only thing that matters, but the current subs are irrelevant. It is only the potential subs gained over the current that matter.

The fact that the game is doing fine does not mean it can not do better. That is what I am saying.

When I said "The number of people subbed has nothing to do with it.", I meant it. Because The number of people who could be subbed, is more important an indicator in this argument.

Your problem is asserting that WiS would increase subs when past history indicates, rather clearly, that it has the opposite effect.

The only time in the history of Eve that subscription count went down was when WiS was released.

Based on the complete failure of DUST and the fact that WoD is still vaporware do you honestly believe CCP is capable of adding meaningful WiS to Eve? And even if, by some miracle, they were would it worth having them neglect spaceship content again to appease a small group of people who can't live without it?

Not really. If CCP isn't able to create a compelling avatar based game why would you think they could add meaningful avatar based gameplay to Eve?

I'm not asking for CCP to stop expanding Eve or put it on autopilot. What I hope they don't do is try to expand it in a way that they tried once before and it almost killed the game.

The problem with space Barbie enthusiasts is they can't see any other way for Eve to expand other than WiS and that's just narrowminded.

Any resource (whether it's money or manpower) they put into WiS is a resource that's not spent on real Eve gameplay.

What it doesn't makes sense is that CCP is more willing to devaluate EVE than to let players buy the vanity items they alredy have developed & QA'ed and are ready to switch from "seed_0" to "seed_1".

It's ludicrous. I've made my mind to give 50 euros to Chris Roberts if he adds "girly" avatar content to Star Citizen, but I can't even see why CCP is not willing to take my money for a bloody dress for my bloody avatar when that dress has been sitting on Singularity for no less than 29 months.

These icelanders are crazy!

I haven't seen a single person discredit anything I've posted. Can you find some links for me?

You guys are so stuck to Incarnagate,it is almost embarrassing
No one in this thread wants something forced onto anybody
The only thing we want is the OPTION to open that door

hey mastermind why should i read a blog from 2011 ,too long ago

You clearly did not read anything i posted on this thread and any in the other WIS threads ,did you?

I have given up on CCP especially since seeing star citizen and testing the hanger module.

Eve it's current state is like DOS compared Star Citizen being Windows 3.1. It has the same functionality but no graphical output. You can not fly your ship, aim or anything and when the developers tried to move the game toward the original vision then a vocal minority kicked up a fuss so they scrapped it.

To keep people interested in an MMO it has to change and develop. These patches that CCP roll out every 6 months are hardly representative of the head count of staff they have working internationally. I wonder what everyone is actually doing.

Eve needs this prototype, Wisley and Eve VR yesterday.

Like DOS Eve might be around for a long time but I know how i would prefer to interact with my PC and it certainly is not DOS.

Stop listening to **** heads CCP. Be strong and keep to the original vision that included getting out of your ship.

Personally I would be really annoyed if they developed walking in stations as a separate game, as it would mean that I would need 2 subscriptions to play the game I wanted to play.

Which is precisely the reason why CCP will probably do it that way.

Greed is good.

You guys think they are capable to deliver any avatar content?
CCP is spreading their efforts and devs thin among so many projects (even Blizzard who is significantly richer has less stuff going on at the same time) that at this development rate not even next generation of capsuleers(in real life-assuming Eve even lasts this long) will get to try ambulation.

I was talking about CCP.
Personally, I do not believe CCP is either capable or willing to deliver avatar content. They got projects all over the place, they reinvent all over the place. Just look at the "UI" in captains quarters. Character movement controls feel awkward.

As far as eve is all about ships goes - how about that drone UI. So it took them 10 years to add that drag and drop function for it. Well, thanks a lot, now we'll have to wait another 10 to get an iteration and hopefully get actual drone UI?

Wake up people.. "Meaningful avatar gameplay"
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The fact that CCP itself is working to develop exactly that kind of epic emergent gameplay in a avatar-only game should give you a clue.

PvE can be epic if it suits to PvP goals (just not "me and my 50 l33t bullies asploded yur ship, hawhaw you n00b!" PvP).

A wall can be built a brick at a time, in a casual friendly manner, without a need to bring 50 friends and spend the next 6 hours doing the ingame equivalent to watch paint dry. And laying a brick on a wall can be learned in the first 5 minutes of game, without a need to learn to survive to the l33t bullies who out-everything you.

You just need the WILL to do it, to ADD more EVE to EVE rather than paint the microwave in a different color, take the same old porridge and reheat it again.

But CCP lacks the will. They're too old, or scared, or incompetent, or whatever. They don't have the right stuff and even when they hire outside talent to ave their asses from themselves, they manage to turn a LARPer into a fan of "moar nullsec" rather than give her a chance to save EVE from the reheated porridge of "build ships-asplode ships".



In case you didn't noticed, most of that work was done in 2010-2011 as they developed the Carbon workframe. Legacy code is less of an issue now than updated but extremely complex FiS mechanics. FAI, restat one ship and all other 500 types take a hit, good luck not breaking anything in the process.

EVE's FiS ecosystem is extremely complex and further complexity will not make any favor to it, so you better expect the Halellujah Plan removing complexity, maybe scuttling the whole SOV system and replace with "NewSpace Holding Mechanic". FiS doing too many things in too many ways is an issue.

But meanwhile, other potential ecosystems are untouched. Like, WiS.

Sneak peak at summer expansion 2017, "Incarna 2.0"

- Added golden pod visibility to CQ!
- Moved CQ balcony so players using CQ can see the other ships flying by in stations without leaning and almost falling off.
- Moved station door button to left side of door.
- Changed message on door lock to "Station atmosphere decotamination failed, attempting again."
- Removed couch and added a recliner, couches are for more than one person.
- Added a few new station enviroment sounds.
- Changed the bedding so it looks like someone used it while you were out. "This one was too soft"
- Adding run animation or speeding up walk proved too difficult, shortened walkway from CQ to balcony.
- Removed ashtrays to comply with current Icelandic public smoking bylaws.
- Added a toilet.

I dont know about you, but I can't wait for this expansion, sounds epic!

Well their famous five year plan for player built stargates certainly caters to this crowd of nullsec gamers that hate high sec while the rest of get shafted.

When the WiS fetishists have some new and interesting ideas we can talk.